16. September 2014


Conversation with Sananda 

channeled by Jahn J Kassl 
translated by Franz

JJK: Today I woke up with a question and this question preoccupies 
me now in the afternoon: Why do so many wealthy and as rich 
designated human Beings have an issue with money? 
Many are greedy or cannot have enough; some hoard (save) 
the money and pass on very little, as it does not serve their own 
benefit. Some human Beings hide their wealth, so that they do 
not have let go of anything, others preserve it, as if they want 
to take it with them into Heaven. And foremost: Wealth and 
abundance obviously are different things? How do they relate 
to each other? And thereby poverty is also per se not a sign of lack? 

Let us illuminate the complexity of this issue, so that the 
view toward the nature of abundance becomes complete.

The Nature of Abundance 
Indeed there are many, who hide their earthly wealth, 
their earthly goods from human Beings, so that they do 
not have to pass on anything? And yet these human Beings 
are able to increase it? Why?
It is good to know that every human Being, who is born 
into this world, has chosen one or several specific experiences 
on this level of All-That-Is. The experience to dispose of a high 
amount of money, possessions and wealth, is a choice that can 
be made fully consciously. Just as the experience of poverty is 
chosen and a multitude of suffering; all experiences, which can 
be recalled on this level of being.

Many human Beings, who preserve their earthly possessions 
and increase them under all circumstances, instead to share 
them with human Beings or let them flow into the world, 
must still learn the right handling of wealth.

For this it usually takes several incarnations, wherein very often, 
karmic ties develop, which at a given time must be balanced, 
because earthly wealth, abundance of this kind, is always 
connected to the issue of power. The question, how a 
human Being utilizes his given power that he obtained 
due to his wealth, decides the wellbeing of this human 
Being for many incarnations. 
The handling of money, the behavior of a wealthy human Being, 
as this experience is done for the first time, are in most cases ego 
based and has nothing to do with the flow of abundance. Thereby 
one always has to consider, which experience a human Being has 
chosen for himself before he was born on earth.
“Rich” human Beings can therefore live in lack as well 
as human Beings, whose poverty, yet very often not lack, 
can be seen.

Hence in this context we have arrived at the issue of “poverty”.

Poor is the one, whose survival it is not cared for and poor 
is the one, who does not know the spiritual reasons for it.
And this kind of poverty is also chosen. In principle it needs
to be pointed out: 
Abundance means the inner assuredness that everything 
in the life of a human Being is cared for from the Source of 
All-That-Is. God takes care of everything needs to be internalized. 
Abundance does not conform to wealth, to possessions or 
fortunes, but to the inner ability to experience God’s abundance 
and to partake of it every day.

Poverty on the Light Path 
Why is there poverty, human Beings, who fight with actual 
existential problems and why can one very often observe 
this with light warriors?
Besides the fact that poverty also wants to be experienced, 
the poverty of many human Beings lies in karmic conditions or/and 
is based on their rejecting attitude toward wealth and wealthy 
human Beings.
Human Beings, who become aware and enter unto the path of Light, 
at the very first, will be confronted with all their unresolved issues. 
Thereby issues of money and power play a decisive role. Meaning, 
light warriors, before they regain abundance, must dissolve their 
blockages and must free their karmic ties, which have to do with 
issues of money and power. 

If a human being has chosen his “awakening”, 
then he will inevitably be confronted with himself; 
consequently and on all levels. 

This is not the case with much younger souls. These agree with 
a life as a wealthy human Being and experience this; these human 
Beings usually are at the beginning of their incarnation cycle. Rich
is not equal to rich and poor is not equal to poor.

Furthermore there is a small group of human Beings, 
the light warriors of the first and last hours, which live 
in God’s abundance, yet comprehensive wealth or financial 
securities do not appear. This condition serves the necessity 
that certain assignments of these Beings can only be optimally 
fulfilled in space-time under these conditions.
Yet everything for these light warriors is taken care of, 
and this knowledge is very familiar to these human Beings.

JJK: Why do some human Beings have such difficulty to 
separate from money, even though they have become aware 
of many things and why give some from the little that is available 
to them, much, and others then again pass on little from the 
many they have available?
I can see this very clearly from the supporters of Lichtwelt.
Many, it is the overwhelming number of those human Beings, 
who support us financially, give with intensity, joy and Love, 
which is unconditional and awe inspiring; either from the many 
much or everything from the little; on the other hand, no matter 
how much they have, some give just enough, so that they calm 
down their guilty conscience, some more, some less, yet never 
Here appears the human face with regard to money, 
abundance, receiving and giving.

SANANDA: Those, who give little from much, 
carry out an inner struggle for existence.
The many always seems to be never enough and 
these human Beings foremost need security.

Security and Saving 
Security that has been carefully calculated to the end of life.
Life without a net and in trust toward God is indeed something
totally different, and many ambitious light beings must at first 
establish this ability and the awareness. That God is the one, 
who is everything and gives everything, and that at the very 
first it is important to fulfill God’s will, so that life fulfills itself, 
this wisdom is still not anchored in these human Beings and 
therefore still cannot be lived. Meaning that “unconditional 
giving” is impossible.

Furthermore these human Beings are not clear about 
the fact that every holding back of money blocks the 
flow of life. To “save” money is a great stupidity,
because it means to save first on you. To deny oneself 
anything cannot activate the flow of abundance, no matter 
how much money somebody has or how much wealth one 
calls its own. To let money circulate, so that it flows, is the way.  
Thereby it is important to let money flow, where it can have a 
good effect.

Rich and Poor 
This must be in an exact harmony with the inner
orientation of a human Being. Meaning, it is not advisable 
to arbitrarily spend money, in the assumption that only then
it can flow back. Everything that a human Being does must 
be seen in the context of his life and his assignments. 
Human Beings, who from the little of what they own, let 
everything flow to where their soul is, have understood, 
they increase their wealth incessantly and they live in God’s 
abundance. This behavior is predominant mostly in older souls.

JJK: Meaning, wealth is not necessarily a 
sign of abundance and the earthly lack of 
possessions no sign for poverty?

SANANDA: Rich is the one, who lives in God. 
Poor is the one, who doesn’t know God. This is the law. 
Everything that surpasses this or does not apply, describes the 
individual decisions of a human Being and the chosen experiences.
This dynamic obeys the game of karma and ends, as soon as a 
human Being decides to step out of it.

JJK: I now come to another issue: In half-sleep, it was not a dream, 
I suddenly saw in front of my inner eye Edward Snowden appearing. 
Totally present and clear. After that I saw a circle, a very big planet 
and then stars, which one after another flew into the circle and 
disappeared therein?

SANANDA: This scene reveals two things.

Edward Snowden 
1.) The Being by the name Edward Snowden has revealed 
things to mankind, which it did not want to become aware of, 
things, which describe nothing else than the mode of operation 
and the nature of evil.
The consequences and results from these exposures will still 
much stronger become public knowledge than up to now and this
truth really shakes the geopolitical framework, before it collapses. 
Since then the last remnant of trust in politics and their representatives 
have shrunk. More and more human Beings become vigilant toward the 
political establishment and foremost this is owed to these exposures. 
A second important point is that these truths have an immediate effect 
on the ascension dynamic, because lies, betrayal and insidiousness are 
redeemed. These are powerful energies, which are transformed, before 
the ascension can capture the whole world. On different higher levels 
of being of the fourth dimension, the memory of Edward Snowden is 
honored and the merit is recognized in its true value. Many of the 
newly ascended Masters on this level also partake already today 
in these feelings of “reverence” and “high regard”.

Separation of the Galaxy 
2.) Flying stars in the great planets describe the separation 
of the galaxy and the development of this new galaxy.
The separation of the galaxy means that all living organisms 
of this galaxy mandate themselves to a new place in the galaxy. 
The great planet, from the outside recognized as a “round sphere”, 
is the place, is the new galaxy, whose guardianship has been 
transferred to you.

This became possible, because many awareness processes 
on this earth were initiated. And thereby the insight of a portion 
of human Beings that they were hindered in their progress by a 
dark power is of great significance.

The light warriors of the first and last hours, due to their steadfast 
posture in the battlefield of this time, had prevailed over all lower 
elements and thereby were lifted to guardians of this galaxy. And 
also the great masses of human Beings contributed their part, so
that this could be fulfilled. Their part consisted in becoming vigilant 
and to withdraw the trust in the present rulers, and to attain strength, 
clarity and power within them.

Here a great multitude of events affect each other, recognized 
and still unresolved issues overlap each other, until the truth 
penetrates all and everything, because human Beings have 
learned to look at the lies. On all lower vibrating levels of 4D
every exposure of a crime of the dark ones is a very helpful fact, 
because thereby the vibration in these worlds is increased in 
frequency, what makes the change to the fifth dimension very 

Each level experiences the change in a unique and 
totally special manner, and this has been addressed here.

JJK: Once again I come back to the issue of money, 
and the factual poverty of so many human Beings, to the 
fact that human Beings are dying of malnutrition. Is this 
really the choice of these human Beings? Or do several things 
simply go astray; are some events not exactly predictable, 
despite all wisdom and knowledge, which is available to us 
before we are born?

SANANDA: Both apply, both are correct.

Dying due to Malnutrition 
Each life offers different potentials or “role models”. 
Meaning that human Beings dying of malnutrition saw 
very clearly what is expected of them in this world. 
And they descended exactly for this reason.
For one, because through their “dying” they give a picture 
for humanity, like it could not be any more vivid, and this 
as long until individual human Beings react to it, whereby 
all of humanity gets into movement!
These conditions can only be eliminated, 
when humanity becomes aware of three things:
a.) That this kind of dying actually exists.
b.) That somebody is responsible for it.
c.) That the responsible individuals have to bear 
witness and account for their crimes, have to ask 
for forgiveness and have to perform retribution, 
on the earthly as well as the spiritual level.

This existence, below any human dignity, 
reveals to awakening mankind that these 
conditions must be changed. And this awareness 
spreads out more and more. This is equivalent to 
the increase in vibration in this world.
Suffering human Beings in such a manner perform an 
invaluable great service of Love for this world and for 
humanity, or with this life they redeem their own enmeshments.

Different Now-Times 
Furthermore in this case the multidimensionality of every 
human Being is of significance. Meaning that every human 
Being makes all experiences simultaneously! Poor and rich, 
impotent and powerful, godless and god-loving: at the same 
time. With this overriding view certain situations lose their 
exclusivity, yet does not justify them. This fact makes things in 
this world not any better, yet it let the deeper sense and the 
whole be recognized: Everything occurs in the Now!
All ascending human Beings are now increasingly becoming 
aware of the Now.

Therefore it says in the scriptures:  
“Do not condemn so that you may not be condemned yourself!” 
“Self” refers to that you are a murderer in another existence, 
which you condemn here or a saint, which you ridicule here or 
cover him with mockery. 

Everything always arrives at you, 
because everything starts from yourself. 

JJK: A little bit confusing? Is it always like that?

SANANDA: It will only change, once a human Being breaks 
off all connections to his lower existences. Meaning as a 
human Being withdraws his whole multidimensional forms 
of expression from all 3D and 4D worlds or dissolves them, 
because he unconditionally and with all his strength wants 
to return into God’s Light. Then a totally different “Now-Time” 
becomes active, because every human Being recognizes himself 
as a multidimensional and foremost as an awakened Being.

Totally in contrast to a multidimensional unaware Being. 
Meaning the following: Enlightenment means of having dissolved 
all reflections of ones lower Self to all lower levels of Being of 
3D and 4D. 

The Now remains untouched. The experience of Now is the clincher. 
An enlightened one exclusively experiences his light-filled and loving 
Now and is no longer confronted by his dark characteristics. Totally 
different in an unconscious human Being.
This is important to distinguish, so that you correctly interpret 
the many pictures of your life. Murderer or Saint? An enlightened 
one has stepped out of this game – on all levels of Now.

JJK: Now this feels very clear to me. 
And the ascending ones now dissolve all lower Selves?

SANADA: Yes, this happens now and at the same time
is the condition for ascension. Thereby all levels of space-time 
can be left. This experience as a low vibrating multidimensional 
Being remains always present in the infinite consciousness of an 
awakened one, yet all enmeshments to it have been dissolved.

This is another capacity that makes you so unique in the 
expanses of Creation, because most Beings have not exposed
themselves to this experience, this multifaceted game of illusion.
You are truly “special” and as such recognizable everywhere
in All-That-Is. Multidimensionality is not equal to multidimensionality. 
Thereby there are also significant aspects, which portray themselves 
differently with regard to levels.

JJK: I notice that the conversation now dies down…

SANANDA: Indeed. We have discussed the important issues, 
so that human Beings, who follow these lines, receive new 
insights and can connect current events directly with their life.

Additional insights will be given and 
many gifts from Heaven stand ready. 

The Infinity of Creation becomes tangible;
For you, who have stepped unto the path of truth,
have passed the bridges of the Light and have walked 
through the gates of Love … 

In infinite Love I am that I am
- among you.


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